Social Media for Business is Crap

0955167 Social Media for Business is CrapPost by  Guest  Contributor~ Nathan Kievman
CEO, DemingHill
Founder, Linked Strategies (#1 LinkedIn Strategies Group)

In my many conversations on LinkedIn, I recently came across a group post within eMarketing Associations Group on LinkedIn titled “Social Media for Business is Crap.” Amazing post with nearly 3,000 comments at the time of this post.

So this question alluded to ROI directly. This business person and many others haven’t been able to find real world results. So the cry out was for real life results. Here is my response:

Our company, DemingHill, services corporations with their social media needs and we see ROI consistently. I will share some examples below. However, I believe this question is a bit presumptuous, though well done for the mass interaction it’s caused. When you say “Social Media for Business is Crap” I can only assume you mean ROI. If so, I believe the question misses the real potential of social media.

Our largest Fortune clients only care about the ROI as a second or third area of importance (if that high). You see, the most important aspect of social media is relationship building. The number one most important thing to our clients has been building communities of key constituents. This process is not as easy as the market makes it out to be and requires real strategy blended together with an intrinsic knowledge of the social verticals rules & etiquette. ROI is important, but so is customer service, brand monitoring, brand awareness, intellectual property, trademarks, crisis management and many other categories.

Where most Marketers steal the thunder of social media is pushing this ROI issue. No doubt it matters, I definitely focus on it, but the real fact of the matter is, if you are not converting outside of social media, social media will not help you convert and improve your ROI. Social Media will bring people (at times in masses) to your virtual doorstep. Sometimes they can be more ready to buy over others depending on how they came to your virtual doorstep, but that comes down to strategy, positioning, and influence.

So regarding ROI:
First what is the measurement for success? Like I said before, is it community members of key constituents or dollars in your pocket from sales?

ROI on Social Media is almost always indirect in my opinion. We have ran many campaigns to know this to be true. Here are some successful ROI examples I can share to hopefully shatter your notion that “Social Media for Business is Crap.” I believe and know Social Media is the evolution of human behaviour, and when human behavior changes, so must BUSINESS. Here are some concrete examples of successful ROI driven results:

~ One of our sales guys at DemingHIll (my Corporate Social Media Consulting Practice) closed a $7million dollar deal originated from Twitter.

~ A client attracted Walmart, Human Health, and Bank of America as consulting clients through LinkedIn

~ Small client set up and established $27,000 in revenue on 7 hours of invested time

~ Consulting firm grew a group from 0 to 8,500 members in 11days

~ Client with product and training program has generated directly from LinkedIn over $250,000 in revenue from his efforts on this site

~ Business Services firm generated $150,000 in revenue from webinar series launched through social media platforms only (by the way, that was in one month)

You get the idea. The ROI question is really about your marketing path and product path outside of the social platforms. Those paths can be fixed, but need to take into consideration the original source of the incoming traffic and what motivates them to buy or take a specific action.

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About Randy Schrum
Randy Schrum is the Executive Vice President of Sales for DemingHill, a Leading Corporate Social Media Consulting & Marketing Firm. DemingHill is a consortium of the top leaders in each of the core disciplines of Social Media for Corporate Business. Inclusive of Sales, Lead Generation, BD, Marketing, PM, Customer Service and more. Mr. Schrum is also Founder of RandySchrum.com & MyCorporateMedia.com, which features Randy’s Sales & Business thoughts along with special blog contributors. Many Business Executives, Owners, and Entrepreneurs have come to enjoy Randy’s practical thoughts & business insights. Additionally, Mr. Schrum is considered one of the leading authorities on LinkedIn & Twitter as co-manager of the #1 LinkedIn & Twitter Strategies group’s. He is the author of Twitter Strategies, which teaches businesses and Twitter users how to build on their business and professional goals using twitter.

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  • This piece is no different than exactly what was discussed in the orignal Linkedin thread started by Kevin.

    There are two sides to this issue and it is no coincidence that on the side where you have those who insist Social Media is the wave of the future, just so happen to be in the business of selling their social media "expertise".

    And on the other side, you have those such as myself, who have used social media for many years in the manner it was created for, and understand that marketing in social media is nothing more than spamming.

    The audience that makes up social media in it's true forms (Linkedin and other business groups are not traditional social media but rather business oriented contact groups and should not be considered in the equation) such as Facebook and Myspace, have made themselves very clear time and again through discontinuation of service, exodus to other services, and massive complaints, that they do no want marketing in their SOCIAL medium.

    That is always ignored.

    I particularly like the numbers regarding ROI in this article. More artificial lead bait imo.
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  • LIsa
    I hear what you are saying. I think it might be best to say that Social Media could pay off. Doesn't mean that it pays off for everyone. Though some really great deals have been made via social media, doesn't mean that is common place. I do think that it has benefits even if you do not make a huge deal from it. It keeps your name in the media. Yes there is a lot of junk mail to be had and that is a down side. The upside is your getting valuable links and connections and seo exposure. Just my experience.
  • sylvie chen
    Social media is a misnomer.
    It is defined as a "loose aggregation of personal contacts hosted by a third party with services, applications and profiles."

    It is more like a yellow pages model with rich media.
    At its core, it is not commerce but shared interests with user provided content

    The value of social media is the exposure of profiles through analytics that translate to behavioral targeting for web marketing.

    Media sites like Facebook and Myspace, even Linkedin have different purposes and as such people join for common reasons. Long tail sites are more specific and while having a narrower reach, have greater affinity of interests.

    The key of course is the strength and freshness of a member's activities and the degrees of connection to other members (social network graphs). It is in this last area that SM sites offer new value for commercial exploitation. Reaching an influencer extends to followers in the network. Pepsi, Gap and others know that is where the real value is.
  • Ken
    Social media is today's new junk mail. Has anyone given any thought to how much bombardment of cyber- crap one person can take in a day?
  • Satish
    Hii,

    I guess whatever u said is very much true. A well directed strategy will always be beneficial. And another thing is that we cannot always measure or track the real source of incoming traffic. I really liked this article. Keep writing n informing...cheers


    satish
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